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David Doggett
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From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 30 May 2006 11:46 AM     profile     
Miles' birthday was last week. Someone just sent me this priceless link to the audio from the Steve Allen Show in 1955.
http://www.quietfm.com.nyud.net:8090/Audio/miles1955.mp3

I was reflecting on why I don't remember hearing stuff like this on TV back then, and realized that maybe it was because I was in the 3rd grade, and we didn't have a TV yet! My Dad did have a few Jazz LPs, but it was Dixieland and stuff like Louis Armstrong, Dina Shore (that's right, she had some early jazz recordings), Lena Horn and Julie London. Three years later I got a sax, but Rock'n'Roll had become King, and my tastes leaned toward rockabilly. With a background like that, it's no wonder some of us older steelers have a tough time with modern jazz. But living in John Coltrane's home town, I'm workin' on it.

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Bobby Lee
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From: Cloverdale, North California, USA

posted 30 May 2006 04:00 PM     profile     
Thanks for posting that, David. Very enjoyable listening.
David L. Donald
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From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

posted 31 May 2006 01:32 AM     profile     
When it 1st came on,
I thought you had the date about 40 years off...

Steve Allan was a serious musician,
and the most prolificly published songwriter
of all time.

Not surprised he had Miles on his show.
Before the networks got too stressed about ratings numbers.

One of the best bands of this genre ever.
No weak sisters : Just the BEST players of their time all together.
COOL... or Pre-Cool!!

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 31 May 2006 at 01:32 AM.]

Chris Forbes
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From: Beltsville, MD, USA

posted 31 May 2006 03:49 AM     profile     
Man that was a fantastic band. I still think Paul Chambers is one of the five best jazz bass players ever. I just LOVED that rhthym section of Red Garland, Paul, and Philly Joe that popped up on other albums supporting other acts (most notably "Art Pepper meets the rhythm section").
Mike Perlowin
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From: Los Angeles CA

posted 31 May 2006 02:58 PM     profile     
Compare that to the bands that appear on SNL today.

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David Mason
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From: Cambridge, MD, USA

posted 01 June 2006 03:52 AM     profile     
Though, I think it's easy to fall into revisionist remembering... the bands and musicians who have gone on to be hugely influential among other musicians, and hence eventually changed the course of music, were often times not at all popular among the heathen masses at the time. Miles Davis is remembered now for the birth of "cool jazz", in itself a response to the seeming incomprehensibility and self-indulgence of bebop. However, at the time, Perry Como and Deano Martin were probably outselling any jazz music 10-to-1. "Kind of Blue" and "Sketches of Spain" are the exception rather than the rule - jazz music that "real people" actually bought (whether they understood it or not, you can't discount trendiness).

I grew up about two waves down the road, just barely post-Beatle invasion. According to revisionist movie soundtracks and historical rewriting, I should have been listening to soul music, Hendrix, the Woodstock nation, but that all came a bit later for me - when I was young, my radio was playing the Strawberry Alarm Clock, The Grassroots, and Tommy James and the Shondells. There was a brief period back there where bands like the Allman Brothers and Yes could actually pack stadiums playing primarily instrumental music, but it wasn't long before cloning killed the spark - the Grateful Dead and the Allman Brothers became their own cover bands, and the "jam bands" cloned the noodling without the passion & intent.

We had a "jazz" festival here a few weeks back, and it amazed me - I had no idea that there were actually bands traveling around the country making a living playing the "smooth jazz" you usually hear in elevators and supermarkets. How can anybody sit still and listen to that stuff? Maybe if you had a martini and a cigar, or a pharmaceutical lobotomy.... People like Miles and Coltrane might poke and prod and agitate from the fringe, but Chuck Mangione and Kenny G are plenty "jazzy" enough for the unwashed masses. If you can't hum along, who needs it, and who wants to be disturbed by Satanic note choices, after all?

Jesse Pearson
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From: San Diego , CA

posted 01 June 2006 08:33 AM     profile     
The first time I really noticed smooth jazz, I had just got done surfing one Saturday morning in La Jolla and this upper scale beachfront home was having a lunch party with a live smooth jazz band. It all fit the beach scene great and sounded funky and hip. I still pick songs off of the smooth jazz radio station once in a blue moon to record copy on sax and guitar. The last law office I worked at, that's all I listened to during the day. Smooth jazz has been around since the late 70’; Grover Washington's "Wine light" was one of the first.
Keith Cordell
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From: Atlanta

posted 01 June 2006 08:58 AM     profile     
*People like Miles and Coltrane might poke and prod and agitate from the fringe, but Chuck Mangione and Kenny G are plenty "jazzy" enough for the unwashed masses. If you can't hum along, who needs it, and who wants to be disturbed by Satanic note choices, after all? *

LOL, Chuck Mangione and George Benson, I can do- but even the great uneducated masses can tell that Kenny G ain't jazz.

I hope.

Bill McCloskey
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From:

posted 01 June 2006 10:46 AM     profile     
Yes this was a great quintet. But it would be hard for me to choose between it and the second great quintet of the 60's.

Also, don't forget Miles's interim group that is captured on Live at the Blackhawk. I believe that is the swingingest jazz miles davis album ever made and is in constant rotation on my cd player.

Rick McDuffie
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From: Smithfield, North Carolina, USA

posted 01 June 2006 07:45 PM     profile     
Just to keep the record straight, John Coltrane was born in the railroad town of Hamlet, NC and moved to High Point, NC in his early teens. He went up to Philly after finishing high school in 1943.

Dizzy Gillespie was born just across the line in Cheraw, SC, only about 20 miles from where Coltrane was born.

Thelonius Monk was from Rocky Mount, NC

Jim Cohen
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From: Philadelphia, PA

posted 01 June 2006 08:02 PM     profile     
...Spoken like a true Carolinian...
David Doggett
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From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 01 June 2006 08:55 PM     profile     
Okay, thanks for reminding us where Coltrane really came from. I was born in South Carolina, so Coltrane is still a homie to me. The jazz community in Philly worships him. I thought it was a howler when Steverino almost forgot to mention Coltrane, but threw his name in at the last minute, like - oh yeah, and some guy named John Coltrane on sax.
Rick McDuffie
Member

From: Smithfield, North Carolina, USA

posted 02 June 2006 05:06 AM     profile     
You're welcome, David. Somebody has to speak up for us Tar Heels and Sandlappers, lest the great Northeast take all the credit

Coltrane got his first exposure to music in church. Both of his grandfathers were ministers. One cannot overestimate the influence of the southern church (African-American, in particular) on the development of modern American music.

Good to know you've got some roots down here- you just moved up a couple of clicks in my estimation!

Oh, and I should've taken the opportunity to remind everyone that the great Tal Farlow was from Greensboro, NC

That is some great stuff. Thanks, David!

[This message was edited by Rick McDuffie on 02 June 2006 at 05:14 AM.]

David Doggett
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From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 02 June 2006 08:48 AM     profile     
Rick, I absolutely agree about the strong influence of southern church music on all forms of American music - rock, country, blues and jazz. Although I parted ways with conventional religious doctrine long ago, my Dad was a preacher and piano player. Church music from Bach to gospel, black and white, was my foundation. The Pentacostals heavily influenced rock and R&B through people like Elvis and Little Richard. And you can't listen to Coltrane's "A Love Supreme" without feeling the deep religious roots. I'm not sure what Miles' relationship was to religion. Maybe somebody who knows his bio can tell us.

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Bill Cunningham
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From: Cumming, Ga. USA

posted 02 June 2006 07:21 PM     profile     
Maybe a little off topic, but.......

I heard an NPR documentary last year on "Kind of Blue." It still sells 5,000 units a month even though it was recorded in 1957!!!!

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David Doggett
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From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 02 June 2006 10:27 PM     profile     
Not off topic at all. On every list of must-have jazz recordings, "Kind of Blue" is right at the top. I'm sure it's the best selling jazz album of all time.
Chris Forbes
Member

From: Beltsville, MD, USA

posted 06 June 2006 03:50 AM     profile     
It's one of those rare recordings that's loved by both the critics AND the buying public. I absolutely LOVE that album!!!!!!
Bill McCloskey
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From:

posted 06 June 2006 10:17 AM     profile     
I've bought Kind of Blue probably 4 times for myself (vinyl and CD) and untold times for others. I find it to be the best introduction to the world of jazz for those who unfamiliar with the genre. Never fails to win a convert to jazz.

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