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1. 4x4 shuffle
2. 2x4 shuffle
3. straight 8's a variation of 2x4 shuffle
4. Tripplets
5. Waltz or 6/8 both are pretty much waltzes just played different.

Now as far as Older Ray Price and Texas country music every song ever written can be played with one of those drum patterns or sometimes even a combination of each.

If you are really interested I could do a spread sheet with explanations of what part of the drum kit gets struck on which beat it very simple. It would be like looking at a drum machine grid.

Somehow I feel tht you might be pulling our legs a little b0b. I'll bet you already know every drum beat there is but I bit anyway :-)

Bob I forgot to add that I could write a 2 or 3 page book explaining what makes up each of those drum patterns but I think the excel spread sheet would do a better job.

Bob

[This message was edited by Bob Martin on 15 June 2006 at 09:26 PM.]

If you think that Biff does play more rhythm patterns than I just noted you're absolutely correct but most if not everyone of them would be no more than a slight variation of one of those. Drum patterns are nothing more than mathematical equations being applied to real time music to keep everyone on the same page. It all breaks down 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 beats or multiple variations of those numbers.

The only major pattern that I left out of that list was 2x4 1/2 time which Merle loves and Bif plays it all the time but it's just a variation of 2x4 shuffle.

b0b as the owner/moderator of this board I don't feel that you just set a very good example by responding in such a derogatory way. If I got confused on what you were wanting all you would have had to do is say "Bob you misunderstood my post I don't actually need the book I'm just wondering why someone hasn't published one" and with that response I would have realized that I didn't understand your question. Also if you don't agree with my statement just say so you don't need to do it in an insulting way.

I'm not doing much tonight so I'll do some googling for ya on country drum books and if I find anything I'll post back if not I'll talk to ya on another thread :-) Again no sweat!

2/4 shuffle
4/4 shuffle
4/4 straight 8's as we call it
tripletts
4/4 half time
3/4 or waltz
3/4 half time

I normally sing and play guitar. So it's easy to tell the bass player the "feel" of a song he may not know or shout out the Number System. But I'm not very good at explaining on the fly to a drummer what PATTERN to play on a impromptu song.

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[This message was edited by erik on 17 June 2006 at 07:09 AM.]

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2/4 shuffle
4/4 shuffle
4/4 straight 8's as we call it
tripletts
4/4 half time
3/4 or waltz
3/4 half time

That's about it unless you guys stick in Take Five and that would be 5/4.

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What about a 2 beat or polka, train beat?
Then all the differences in playing a shuffle?
The drums on a Ray Price shuffle(brushes doing a 1/4 note double bounce with both the right and left hand on the snare) are different from the drums on a Merle shuffle(brushes doing a 1/4 note shuffle bounce with the right hand on the snare while the left hand does a cross stick on 2 and 4), and those are both different from a Buck Owens shuffle(right hand does 1/8 note bounce on a tight closed high hat while the left hand does cross stick on 2 and 4).

Those are just three different variation, and not all Merle, Ray, or Buck songs do the same thing every time. There must be thousands of variations just on a 2/4 shuffle.

Most of the time now when you turn to the drummer and just say "this ones a shuffle", he picks up the heaviest sticks he can find and starts pounding away like he's backing up Stevie Ray Vaughn playing "Pride And Joy". And that's NOT a country shuffle.

The only thing I would say is, country drumming may be based on a handful of different time signatures and styles, but like other american music forms (rock, blues and jazz), it is performed in a highly interpretive form. One thing I would interject, on any type of country drumming, the drummer and bass player HAVE TO BE LOCKED-IN on the beat. Both have to interpret the music in it's basic form with very little, if any, unecessary embelishments and flurishes. Leave that to the fiddle, steel and if you have to ... the lead guitar.

Keep on pickin'!
Glenn

[This message was edited by Glenn Suchan on 21 June 2006 at 05:05 AM.]